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Oct 19, 2020

John talks to Sharon Claffey Kaliouby, VP, North America for Learning Pool, an award-winning professional and co-founder of the #women in learning group with Kate Graham. Sharon has held several high profile executive roles in Learning & Development with the likes of Thomson Reuters and Enterprise Ireland. Prior to Learning Pool, she was a Learning Fellow & Advisor for Elliott Masie Productions and previously Head of Global Learning & Development for State Street Global Advisors in Boston, Massachusetts.
She is also a keen sportsperson – surfing, golf, fencing and basketball are among the sports that get a mention.
But the conversation is mainly about the challenges facing women in their career progression in learning, a profession whose workforce, ironically, is predominantly female at entry level. It also touches on the 'Lean-in’ movement of a few years back – was it a completely positive thing? – and the current effects of the pandemic, which is impacting women more harshly than men. What can women do about all this – and what about men?
03:35 Why are there so few women at exec level in learning? 05:58 Has there been much change over 20 years?
09:13 Does tech have a particular problem?
11:53 The 'she-cession'
14:37 Sharon's experience as a woman in L&D
20:44 When awards wins don't bring life wins
22:41 Reflections on the 'Lean In' book and movement
26:17 What can women do to change the situation?
29:45 Should they take up golf?
32:00 What can men do to change the situation?
35:14 Where next for #womeninlearning?
#womeninlearning LinkedIn group:
Sharon's 'Hang Tens' can be found here:
Books mentioned:
Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead, by Sheryl Sandberg and Nell Scovell, Alfred A. Knopf, 2013
The Orange Line: A Woman's Guide to Integrating Career, Family and Life by by Jodi Ecker Detjen, Michelle a. Waters & Kelly Watson, JMK Publishing, May 2013
The Next Smart Step: How to Overcome Gender Stereotypes and Build a Stronger Organization, by Jodi Ecker Detjen, Kelly Watson, Imagine Publishing, Feb. 2021
Our Learning Brain: Engaging Your Brain for Learning & Habit Change, by Dr. Celine Mullins, Oak Tree Press, Oct. 2018
Contact Sharon:
Twitter: @Sharon_Kaliouby
Contact John Helmer
Twitter: @johnhelmer
Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer – 'Experience: Theory, design and supporting technologies for an experience-based learning culture'