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Feb 15, 2021

John talks to Page Chen, CEO of Remote Learner; a learntech business leader with a strong academic background. How does she characterise the development of learning systems in the first two decades of the 21st Century, a period during which there was a good deal of pushback from 'guru' figures and practitioners alike against the admin-focused model promulgated by the industry? Have we reached a place now where the design of learning systems is better informed by learning science?
02:58 How did she get into learning technologies?
07:43 How well do the academic and corporate views of learntech align?
10:26 Development of the learntech industry in C21
14:38 Content & Platform
25:22 Data and modern learning systems
30:54 What is the right balance between supporting learners and giving them autonomy?
37:52 Will L&D have to reskill for an adaptive, AI-driven future?
Mentioned in the discussion:
B. J. Fogg, behavior scientist at Stanford University:
Remote Learner's website:
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Twitter: @pagechenphd
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