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Welcome to The Learning Hack, a podcast about the people and technologies that are shaping the future of learning.

Feb 21, 2022

When a car accident brought an untimely end to Trish Uhl's athletic career, equestrian sport's loss became a massive gain for IT and learning technologies. Trish is founder and CEO of Owl's Ledge LLC, a firm that helps learning professionals improve their performance, drive business results, and produce organizational outcomes. She works with Global 500 and Fortune 500 clients on four continents. Describing herself as someone who, in words often attributed to hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, is always skating to where the puck is going rather than to where the puck currently is, she tells John about treating L&D like an engineering problem and what Web 3 has in store for learning and HR.
  • 0:00 – Intro
  • 3:14 - Why Trish became a learning engineer
  • 8:48 - L&D as a business partner
  • 22:56 - NFTs within Web3 & learning
  • 42:24 - Recruitment factors within these organizations
  • 47:40 – Will L&D be outsourced?
  • 49:47 – How to follow Trish’s thought
Follow Trish:


  • (Company Website)
  • (#CryptoOwls NFT)
  • (Learning on Blockchain)

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